Peaceful anarchy

topic posted Tue, September 11, 2007 - 10:39 PM by  Unsubscribed
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We do need to bring this government down, but in a peaceful way . just as gandi did The ideal thing to do would be to get everyone, Imean every individual, group, and community that believed in this cause to gather together and camp out on the front lawn of the white haus until the present government steps down completly so the people themselves can replace it or not at all. Move the homeless into all government buildings. Maaan, sounds like a good storey for a screenplay. Will this ever happen? I dought it. Yet it could and probably will if we as a people lose any more of our freedom
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  • Re: Peaceful anarchy

    Mon, September 17, 2007 - 9:56 PM
    if we put our energy into fighting what we do not like, we are giving energy to what we do not like.

    if you did not imbibe that concept, i invite you to read it again:
    if we put our energy into fighting what we do not like, we are giving energy to what we do not like.

    our thoughts, beliefs, words, and actions are energy, that is like conscious glue to hold our reality together. fighting what we do not want gives it energy.

    i think it is wiser to put our energy into creating what we want, rather than giving our energy over to what we do not want.

    do you think we need a federal government? why? personally i think we would be better off with small self-sufficient communities. it means no more kiwi fruit for most of us, but it also means not living upon such a fragile global infrastructure.
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      Re: Peaceful anarchy

      Tue, September 18, 2007 - 3:35 PM
      I fully understand that, but i let my thoughts run and I get carried away. Thank you again for gently pulling me back into focus.
    • Re: Peaceful anarchy

      Wed, September 19, 2007 - 2:12 PM
      “Those in power rule by force, and the sooner we break ourselves of illusions to the contrary, the sooner we can at least begin to make reasonable decisions about whether, when, and how we are going to resist.” – Derrick Jensen

      “Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
      Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
      Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
      But conscience asks the question - is it right?
      And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right.”
      - Martin Luther King, Jr.


      "We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us… I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation." - Malcolm X

      Even a cursory look at the history of government/state violent and repressive actions against any and all anarchist or any other type of alternative/counter culture movements, collectives and communities that have attempted to “drop out of the system” or to in various ways “live off the grid”, or create a parallel culture shows that we will never ultimately be allowed in this civilization to merely “put our energy into creating what we want.” While I support the ideal and action of building positive alternative, sustainable, egalitarian, decentralized, bioregional, smaller local communities, I believe that it would be very naïve and fatal to believe that “the powers that be” will ever allow any of us to do this in peace. Anarchist thought, philosophy, theory, practices, communities and action has been more fiercely repressed and supressed than any other philosophy and practice in the history of Western Civilization because we by definition and through our social/community/economic/ecological vision pose the greatest threat for subverting the dominant paradigm.

      I, too, do not want to waste my energy in focussing only on “fighting what we do not want”, but we must create, as well as defend, by any and all means necessary, when all “peaceful” means have been exhausted (which arguably they already have), what we do want. As Malcolm X said, “We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us… Concerning nonviolence, it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks… You can’t separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom.”

      And as Emma Goldman once pointed out, "The history of progress is written in the blood of men and women who have dared to espouse an unpopular cause, as, for instance, the black man's right to his body, or a woman's right to her soul.... The ultimate end of all revolutionary social change is to establish the sanctity of human life, the dignity of man (and woman), the right of every human (and non-human)being to liberty and well-being…No real social change has ever been about without a revolution... revolution is but thought carried into action."
      • Re: Peaceful anarchy

        Thu, October 4, 2007 - 5:00 PM
        I haven't been active with tribe for a while but, I came back because I've been doing a lot of thinking on Anarchy.

        One of the areas of Anarchy that interests me is the matter of what I call "practical Anarchy". As I see it one of the foundational problems of Anarchy is the total domination of all land masses (and 12 nautical miles surrounding those) by nation states. It doesn't matter if they're democratic, despotic, theocratic etc., there is nowhere a true experience of freedom can be had.

        To relate this to the thread, I believe that the co opting of government by the military-industrial complex (which, of course, existed long before liberal democracy) is the principle means by which this situation has arisen and the principle means by where it is maintained. We are in a situation where not only do the worlds most "powerful" governments perpetuate themselves through propaganda and legal systems, they also posses nuclear arsenals capable of eliminating all life on Earth. We have already seen that governments dominated by their violence industries are perfectly willing to take everyone to the brink of annihilation rather than concede even tiny blocs of territory or change political course. How do we expect this system to react to those who want to dismantle it?

        How are we going to undo this Gordian knot? Where did the power of the violence industry come from? It seems like anything built on a foundation of violence should have some kind of inherent weakness but, I've been looking at this from as many angles I can think of and can't imagine what that looks like. I mean, Gandhi would have failed if the British were willing to kill every Indian who passively resisted their rule. With so much at stake, for so many, who's to say that the powers that be wouldn't resort to suicidal violence to preserve their (perceived) hegemony?

        I don't want to be a bummer. I just really want to discuss practical problems of Anarchy.
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          Re: Peaceful anarchy

          Sat, April 26, 2008 - 2:40 AM
          democratic or not a government derives it power from the people whom are ruled by it. Never has there been a power so strong as to strip the individual of his free will, so freedom, at it's core, can never be really taken away. the Anarchist is not an Anarchist because he chooses to be he simply understands government has no power and so disregards it. do what is right because it is right and you will find your "practical Anarchy".

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